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Post by Duke Nukem on Sept 3, 2008 16:52:55 GMT -5
Mote wants to elect a band president, vice-president, and secretary. Thoughts? Concerns? Nominations?
On a side note, Lucco for El Presidente. That is all.
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Post by Sartorius on Sept 3, 2008 17:31:08 GMT -5
Actually, I think Lucco would be a decent president. He's responsible and a pretty good clarinet player. Only problem is that Mr. Mote will be the PUPPET MASTER and try to control your every move and/or decision. Skill wise you're suited for the job, but with your hatred/rivalry/whatever with Mr. Mote I don't think it's the best position for you. But this is just my opinion; do what you will.
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Post by Mizagium on Sept 3, 2008 17:56:30 GMT -5
I'LL VOTE FOR LUCCO! He is wise to Mote's games and would deliberately go against them.
Also, WTF is Mote thinking? That's the dumdest thing I've ever heard!
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 3, 2008 18:37:51 GMT -5
I've heard about this from a few different people for a while. IMO, this is just another title for power-hungry kids. There really is no point. People should vote for me for something  . Lucco, what else did you talk about in the leadership meetings? I like to know the inside details . |
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Post by Duke Nukem on Sept 3, 2008 20:08:05 GMT -5
Leadership meeting was boring. I was made physically sick by Josh's epic ass-kissery, but that happens at every meeting. Mrs. Kosicki gave us a weird 15-minute speech about how the Band Booster works. Oh, and Mote told the brass to work with individuals that need help AKA Jonathan.
I thought about my position on Mote and leaving the band, and I decided that Robert's right on leaving the band: only as a last resort. I'm not sure what I'll do at the semester, but since Mote's about to get torched by Dunnavant, things may change around here.
So, as far as my dislike of Mote, that stems from his inability to make good decisions and the fact that he is egocentric. He's managed to do some good things for the band, but the bad far outweigh the good. As a prospective band el presidente, I would exert the little influence I would have have to slow down Mote's corruption of the band program, and maybe reverse it. In short, vote Lucco for el presidente. Anthony should be my running mate AKA el vice-presidente.
The president, vice-president, and secretary are supposed to act as liasons for the students, Mote, and student leadership. Mote thinks that if the students elect these officials, they would be more comfortable talking to them about their grievances with the band program and other things. I actually think this is one of Mote's few good ideas (which makes me question whether or not it's his idea), because if you don't like or can't relate to your leadership, an elected official is always there to listen. Not all appointed leadership is "good" leadership, even if they have good intentions, and it always helps to have someone else to turn to that isn't Mote.
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Post by Duke Nukem on Sept 3, 2008 20:08:52 GMT -5
ANTHONY, THIS IS YOUR BIG CHANCE TO BE THE LEADERSHIP YOU ALREADY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
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Post by wolvy on Sept 3, 2008 20:23:05 GMT -5
No offense, but I think the President/VP/Secretary should not be leadership. If everything is filled by the same people, the opinions will be stale. I am not even in the least bit saying that anyone here isn't qualified, but we have to consider other candidates too. I mean, if you are the best for the job, then it is yours, but there is always room for a different opinion. All leadership could easily fill any of these roles, but their influence and ability to raise concern is already substantial enough to make obtaining one of these positions unnecessary.
President should be a Senior/Junior, VP should be Junior/Sophomore, and Secretary anyone who likes to take notes. These positions are not for the power hungry or useless; they are a way for the band booster to really understand what we want. They can do all sorts of fundraisers and events for the band, but if no one is willing to participate OR they think we don't but really do, then they are not fully representing the band. These positions are more intimate than the Social Committee (plan morale-boosters/fun events/parties) in their relationship, truly bringing the band's opinion to the board.
Anthony, you would be really good, as you care a lot for the band and have the wonderful experience of a senior. I could see you as president.
I think anyone with the commitment, focus, and sense of rational thought would be perfect.
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Post by Justice Bringer on Sept 3, 2008 20:47:27 GMT -5
i like the idea of having someone to offset the mote/leadership
also, i don't think it should necessarily be Juniors or seniors, but those who are most qualified
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Post by wolvy on Sept 3, 2008 20:52:43 GMT -5
True, but upperclassmen will have more experience. No matter what class, the most qualified will get the position.
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Post by Justice Bringer on Sept 3, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -5
so how and when exactly is these positions going to be elected
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 3, 2008 21:00:11 GMT -5
I honestly don't care what I am. I just don't want to be President because that means you have to do stuff. VP is there just to look pretty.
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Post by wolvy on Sept 3, 2008 21:21:02 GMT -5
I promise you every role will have a purpose, no just to be frilly and useless.
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 4, 2008 5:07:15 GMT -5
Sorry, I chose my words poorly.
However, I would still not like to be president. I am the type that works better as an assistant, for I feel if I was in charge I wouldn't be able to work to my abilities because of the pressure.
I can imagine how any meetings would go: Mr. Mote is discussing something such as fundraisers, and we cannot get the band to participate in any. Mr. Mote then asks the president what we should do to get more active participators. If I were president, I probably would be thinking, "oh man, I better come up with a solution fast. If Mote asks me and I don't have the right answer, he'll think I shouldn't have been picked for the job."
However, if I were vice president, I wouldn't feel as much pressure, and would be able to think more clearly.
I know this will happen, because last year I had Coach Wall for a lit teacher. His personality was "no matter what you say or how you say it, I'm some how going to make you look like a retard."
If he had us analyze a piece of poetry or something (giving us about 5 minutes to do so), he would make us present our findings to the class. On top of the retard threats made by Coach Wall, this was also the honors class that had most of the kids go to AP Lit this year. That environment was just something I did not like, because I ended up spending more time thinking of the consequences than not getting my work done. I know I could have done it right if I didn't psyche myself out, or if Coach Wall wasn't such a bastard about everything.
If I were VP I would know that I still have an important role, but I'd be able to do my job right better than if I were president because of my mind set.
If you didn't already know, I get nervous a lot because I psyche myself out, but if I were VP I knew I could get away with some flaws but still help the band out largely. If you don't believe I get nervous, ask Michael. Often times I shake while I play my trumpet, or if I have to speak to a large group my voice usually quivers. The sole reason why I did so poorly on my district audition last year was because of my nerves. I know I was as physically ready as possible for that audition. The second I walked in that door, I realized, holy shit i'm actually doing this (it was my first year auditioning). That instant, my mouth became super dry (which makes it unbelievably hard to tongue), I started to shake like crazy (lol super vibrato), and I couldn't think clearly (lol site reading=fail). I got the worst score in our band last year, and I felt bad because I couldn't (and still can't) think of ways to stop me from being nervous. Being president means I would have a lot of people listening to what I say, waiting for me to mess up, and too much depends on me. I would prefer VP.
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Post by Mizagium on Sept 4, 2008 15:25:39 GMT -5
I think its a ridiculous idea.
Ridiculous in the bad way.
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Post by EagleXC13 on Sept 4, 2008 15:54:38 GMT -5
I'LL VOTE FOR LUCCO! He is wise to Mote's games and would deliberately go against them. Also, WTF is Mote thinking? That's the dumdest thing I've ever heard! That is one reason, like Austin said far above, that I would have a problem with Lucco being President. While I know he would make a great leader, his hatred for Mote would ruin us all. The Presidential position would end up being portrayed as the leader of a rebellion group and the position would be eliminated, along with the President's cabinet and all of the hard work that had been put into electing and establishing the President and his group. While I would love to now start banging my own drum (pardon the pun) and declaring, "Vote Jimmy for President," I will not, mainly for the reason that I whole-heartedly agree with Robert and his idea of making someone who's not in leadership the president. Since most of us are leadership ourselves, we communicate with ourselves much more than we do with those who aren't leadership. This decision would diversify who is in charge of the band and give the band a spring to leap on for new ideas and motivation. I will say, though, that if the most qualified person for a position is already a part of leadership, the position should go to them. Also, there is a definite possibility of multiple VPs. One VP alone will not be able to see everything that goes on. Even if both the Pres and VP were to combine their viewpoints, they would not have half of the full picture. Multiple VPs (think VP of Woodwind, VP of Brass, VP of Percussion, maybe even VP of Guard) could work in the same way that the US President's cabinet works, with each one specializing in a certain area and reporting to the Pres so that he can make good decisions. There are other details that could be hammered out after the fact, but for now that would be a good starting point. Therefore, I now make my nominations for the following offices: --For President, I nominate Anthony Gonzalez; Anthony: While I know you don't really want the position, I think you would be best at it. Also, it would be good help for you if you wanted to get over your habit of psyching yourself out. ***The next couple nominations are more like suggestions because I have not been able to decide between people*** --For VP of Brass, I nominate both Geoffrey Peplau and Tyler Davis; Geoffrey has an important part in the brass line as a soloist and leader and I believe would be a helpful addition to the Presidential cabinet; Tyler is practically the same, minus the solo and plus a very cheerful and friendly attitude. --For VP of Woodwind, I am struggling between nominating Lucco, who is an extremely talented clarinetist and is very outspoken (just not during Leadership Meetings), Robert Kosicki, also an extremely talented clarinetest, but has more of a down-to-earth attitude and thought process, and Jenny Oglesby (she's an Oglesby, what do you expect?), rising flute and mixture of Robert's realism and Lucco's "creativity". --For VP of Percussion, I would like to put both myself and Tyler Counsellor up for election. I have been in many leadership positions before, such as a county-wide leadership program that both Robert and I participated in, Boy Scouts, and other minor stuff. I am extremely well qualified, and because of that would like to offer Tyler the first chance at the position if he would like it, mainly because I have been in so many other leadership positions and it helps if you experience that stuff in your life early on. Think on this: I have to leave for practice. |
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Post by Duke Nukem on Sept 4, 2008 16:33:41 GMT -5
Time to clear some things up.
My dislike of Mote is geared at his decisions. The choices we make define who we are, and what Mote has defined himself as is better left unspoken. He's had some good ideas too, and I think this is one of them. Kids can't always relate to the leadership they have, and that's not their leadership's fault, and an elected official can alleviate that. I do not, I repeat, DO NOT oppose everything Mote does just because he does it, so don't start thinking that. In the past I've calmly and reasonably offered alternatives to Mote's somewhat extreme viewpoints and plans, and I would continue doing that as a president. Don't forget, I was the one who started off the debacle that was the leadership meeting two weeks ago, concerning the debate over Mote's treatment of the kids.
I'm not aiming for the position of president just because I want to be president, I'm doing it because I honestly think I'm the best person for the job and I can make a difference. I've already done a lot to help the band, be it speaking up in leadership meetings or helping individuals, and I want to be president because I think I can do more (AKA Mote is more inclined to listen to me). Also, I know a good deal about how the Band Board works and, assuming this is what the president/vice-president does, I think I could actually be a positive influence on the proceedings.
On another note, I think Anthony would make a great president/vice-president. It's already know that he loves the band and definitely makes a difference with the kids, but I also agree with his viewpoint on his leadership skills. Anthony's always struck me as a behind-the-scenes type of guy (which may be because he does a lot of good deeds behind the scenes), which would make him more suited for a vice-presidential position. One way or another, Anthony definitely deserves a position in leadership.
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Post by Duke Nukem on Sept 4, 2008 16:35:29 GMT -5
As far as leadership being elected as these new leaders, I don't care as long as they're qualified. To be honest, I can't think of anyone in the band other than Anthony that would be suited to the task of president/vice-president/secretary that isn't already leadership.
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 4, 2008 21:58:28 GMT -5
That is one reason, like Austin said far above, that I would have a problem with Lucco being President. While I know he would make a great leader, his hatred for Mote would ruin us all. The Presidential position would end up being portrayed as the leader of a rebellion group and the position would be eliminated, along with the President's cabinet and all of the hard work that had been put into electing and establishing the President and his group. Just to add on to what McJimmy said, No offense Lucco, but it would be bad representation of the band if the president (assuming that you got picked) quit this semester or next year. Perhaps though, if you did get picked, you would change the band for a good purpose (one that you, and everyone else wants), so that you would not want to quit. Also, there is a definite possibility of multiple VPs. One VP alone will not be able to see everything that goes on. Even if both the Pres and VP were to combine their viewpoints, they would not have half of the full picture. Multiple VPs (think VP of Woodwind, VP of Brass, VP of Percussion, maybe even VP of Guard) could work in the same way that the US President's cabinet works, with each one specializing in a certain area and reporting to the Pres so that he can make good decisions. There are other details that could be hammered out after the fact, but for now that would be a good starting point. This is a very good idea and needs to be brought up to Mote. I’m not sure some of the people you picked are right for the job though. For instance, you nominated Geoff P., but he’s planning on quitting after this year. I also wouldn’t call them “Vice Presidents” because they might start thinking their job is more important than it really is. I think we should have 1 pres, 1 vp, 1 secretary, and some set number of “the cabinet” AKA the people you mentioned below. --For President, I nominate Anthony Gonzalez; Anthony: While I know you don't really want the position, I think you would be best at it. Also, it would be good help for you if you wanted to get over your habit of psyching yourself out. My parents actually told me I should try out for president just so I can get over my nerves, lol. The more I think of it, the more I kinda want the job, so hold your tongue on saying I don’t want the position. --For VP of Brass, I nominate both Geoffrey Peplau and Tyler Davis; Geoffrey has an important part in the brass line as a soloist and leader and I believe would be a helpful addition to the Presidential cabinet; Tyler is practically the same, minus the solo and plus a very cheerful and friendly attitude. Think about nominating Justin over Tyler Davis. I think he would be more suited for the position just because of the amount of help he brings to the brass. Geoff would be good, but like I said, he said he is going to quit. --For VP of Woodwind, I am struggling between nominating Lucco, who is an extremely talented clarinetist and is very outspoken (just not during Leadership Meetings), Robert Kosicki, also an extremely talented clarinetest, but has more of a down-to-earth attitude and thought process, and Jenny Oglesby (she's an Oglesby, what do you expect?), rising flute and mixture of Robert's realism and Lucco's "creativity". To follow a pattern, perhaps we should keep the cabinet non-leadership. Nothing against Robert or Lucco, but I think the people that should report to the Pres/vp should be people that will probably be leadership next year, but are not leadership this year. A second woodwind cabinet should still be up for debate. --For VP of Percussion, I would like to put both myself and Tyler Counsellor up for election. I have been in many leadership positions before, such as a county-wide leadership program that both Robert and I participated in, Boy Scouts, and other minor stuff. I am extremely well qualified, and because of that would like to offer Tyler the first chance at the position if he would like it, mainly because I have been in so many other leadership positions and it helps if you experience that stuff in your life early on. I agree. I don’t think there is anyone else suited for the job. If Cameron was still in band, I would say he should be in the cabinet because he had his share of problems that he felt should’ve been fixed, but sadly the band's problems are no longer his problems. Jimmy, I know you're leadership, and I stated before to "follow a pattern" with the "no leadership in cabinet positions", but the percussion section is probably the smallest section, and there is simply no one else suited for the job. (lol wut baby face for cabinet) |
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 4, 2008 22:05:16 GMT -5
On another note, I think Anthony would make a great president/vice-president. It's already know that he loves the band and definitely makes a difference with the kids, but I also agree with his viewpoint on his leadership skills. Anthony's always struck me as a behind-the-scenes type of guy (which may be because he does a lot of good deeds behind the scenes), which would make him more suited for a vice-presidential position. One way or another, Anthony definitely deserves a position in leadership. You’re right, Lucco, I am a “behind-the scenes” type of guy. I’m not the type that’ll perform deeds to be like “Oh look at me! I help little kiddies, so worship me!” However, I really wanted to be squad leader this year, seeing that this will be my last year of high school and it’s always something I’ve wanted to do since I was a freshman. (For some reason I thought (and still think) being a squad leader would be way awesome, because you get to teach the newbies how to do stuff, fix the sets, and people would come up to me for help.) I think what ruined me was that I went into the leadership try-outs with a cocky attitude. At the time, I thought to myself, “Yeah, I’ll be a senior, I’m one of the best marchers out here, and the trumpet section is going to need a leader with experience.” This was my mistake. I fooled myself into thinking that I was one of the best there, and that no matter how I did on my try-out, Mr. Mote would pick me. I know that the Pres/VP position will not have the power of a squad leader (because we all just like helping newbies), but it’ll be good to know that I will have in impact on the band in my decisions (for better or worse, lol). As far as leadership being elected as these new leaders, I don't care as long as they're qualified. To be honest, I can't think of anyone in the band other than Anthony that would be suited to the task of president/vice-president/secretary that isn't already leadership. I think we would all agree that Ryan O. would be the best for the (president) position, but seeing that he is already the drum major and has so much power that being both drum major and president would be redundant. My freshmen year, when we had pres/vp, Josh Salas (trumpet section/squad leader) was elected president. He was definitely suited for the job, but I think most of his votes came from people with pity. Josh should have been drum major that year. However, because the trumpet section had Riguel (sophomore at the time) as our best trumpet player (not saying much) besides Josh, it made it so there were no way the trumpets could have thrived without a solid trumpet player. (I’m only stating this to prove that leadership can still be pres/vp. I’m not sure about previous years, however.) I would have to agree with you that I’m the only non-leader best suited for any of those positions. However, this is only because the only other upper-classed non-leadership are people like Josh D., and (Captain) Morgan M. We would all agree that they are definitely not the type to lead, and even some believe that Josh should be stripped of his “section leader” title. |
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Post by EagleXC13 on Sept 4, 2008 22:06:32 GMT -5
Time to clear some things up.
My dislike of Mote is not geared at who he is, it's his decisions. The choices we make define whom we are, and what Mote has defined himself as is better left unspoken. He's had some good ideas too, and I think this is one of them. Kids can't always relate to the leadership they have, and that's not their leadership's fault... The bold and red parts completely go against each other, so you essentially said that you hate Mote's decisions, which make him who he is, so you hate Mote (think a=b and b=c, therefore a=c). I do not, I repeat, DO NOT oppose everything Mote does just because he does it (but your first opinion isn't often a positive one...), so don't start thinking that. In the past I've calmly and reasonably (does that include politely? Because I can swear you've never said please or thank you to him)offered alternatives to Mote's somewhat extreme (they're not all extreme; if you want extreme, look at what Obama wants to do to this country and don't start a political argument off of that)viewpoints and plans, and I would continue doing that as a president. Don't forget, I was the one who started off the debacle that was the leadership meeting two weeks ago, concerning the debate over Mote's treatment of the kids. I must say, Alex, your posture and esteem goes to hell whenever you talk to Mote. You become extremely 'reserved', which can be taken as sarcastic or even furious, and I'm willing to bet that the second one is what it is. And a good leader cannot be mad at his/her superiors without passing that hatred on to the followers. If you were to infect the rest of the band with your hatred of Mote, the band would die. No President was ever inaugurated with the goal of destroying the country; no matter what they said, they meant good. Even when talking to a superior like Mote, you must assert yourself, not in a threatening way, but in a confident way that shows how much support you put behind the words you say. I'm not aiming for the position of president just because I want to be president, I'm doing it because I honestly think I'm the best person for the job and I can make a difference. I've already done a lot to help the band, be it speaking up in leadership meetings or helping individuals(see previous paragraph about the first part; we all have to help those in the band the best way we can: you teaching Derrick his music for 30 minutes after school is a good thing to do, but it doesn't put you above us in any way, shape or form), and I want to be president because I think I can do more (AKA Mote is more inclined to listen to me)(You need some SERIOUS evidence to prove that. Last time I checked he didn't want you telling him what to do.). Also, I know a good deal about how the Band Board works (Doesn't seem like it: you called the speech Mrs. Kosicki gave worthless and weird)and, assuming this is what the president/vice-president does, I think I could actually be a positive influence on the proceedings.
On another note, I think Anthony would make a great president/vice-president. It's already know that he loves the band and definitely makes a difference with the kids, but I also agree with his viewpoint on his leadership skills(I'll get to this below). Anthony's always struck me as a behind-the-scenes type of guy (which may be because he does a lot of good deeds behind the scenes), which would make him more suited for a vice-presidential position. One way or another, Anthony definitely deserves a position in leadership. The green above are all comments from me. Might I also point out that in the past couple weeks you have been a follower, not a leader? For example, near the beginning of the school year, when Matt quit and Cam quit shortly after, everyone was talking of quitting once the second semester came. When I first talked to you, you rejected that idea. Several days later you were all for quitting, even though the band situation hadn't changed. Also, telling Mote how to run his class is not leadership, its insolence. Considering the previous paragraph, there are only three ways that you can get good at leadership skills: experience, experience, experience. After going through multiple Leadership programs throughout my lifetime, I can testify to the fact that that statement is true. To me, this provides even more evidence for Anthony's deserving to be President. Anthony has the potential to go extremely far in life, as do we all, if we conquer our weaknesses. At the moment, the two weaknesses of Anthony's that we are concerned with are his Stage Fright and Psyche. In the position of President, he would be forced to confront and overcome these problems. He wouldn't be there alone, though. We, the band, would be right behind him all the time: supporting him in times of need and even taking his place if he is absent or unable to perform his duties. Lastly, the following quote disturbs me: As far as leadership being elected as these new leaders, I don't care as long as they're qualified. To be honest, I can't think of anyone in the band other than Anthony that would be suited to the task of president/vice-president/secretary that isn't already leadership. This shows obvious ignorance to the section of the band not in leadership, as I stated in my first post. I can easily name a multitude of people worthy of leadership positions, its just that there were none left open. Tyler Davis, Geoffrey Peplau, Jenny Oglesby, Tyler Counsellor, Tuba Justin, Nikki Shiver, and Mark Armstrong are all worthy of Leadership status, its just that they were beat out by those better than them. That doesn't mean they aren't good leaders. Please take all my words to heart and remember: Anthony for President |
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 4, 2008 23:04:09 GMT -5
Nice comments there. You brought up good points, I just hope Lucco doesn't take it the wrong way and start another war like "Lucco vs Robert".
Concerning Lucco and "infecting the band":
I seriously don't think Lucco would abuse his power to go against Mote or infect the band or whatever. I think Lucco sees problems with the band, posts his opinions on this site, and wants to change the problems. Of course, he would have to get the opinion of the band (without any heavy persuasion), and see if the change he wants is the change the band wants. And in reality, could you really see Lucco up on the podium trying to tell people to start hating Mote? Lucco knows people would think he is crazy, and I'm sure he wouldn't pull a stunt like that when he has a fragile position such as president.
Concerning my problem with stage fright and pysche:
I know I would be less nervous if I was super prepared. Prepared for any question that may rise up, prepared for any speeches, prepared for everything. You might argue that even though I was "super prepared" for my district audition and my nerves got the best of me, I would argue back that I would be presenting myself to a group of people with a majority being my friends. This is largely different because, like Jimmy said, they would support me, give me constructive critisism, and accept me even if I made a fault.
Concering your thoughts on Lucco's final quote:
I think Lucco was mainly looking at the upper-classmen (as in Juniors + Seniors), because they have the most experience in the band and know how things should be handled (at least that's what we expect of upper-classmen). Right now I can think of two upper-classmen (besides me) that are not in a leadership position that could fill the role of the three positions being offered. That would be Tyler Counsellor and Nikki Shiver (I can't think of anyone else because it's late >.<)
They both have positive attitudes, they are both loyal to the band, and they are both smart with common sense. (I don't know much about Nikki, but I'm assuming that all of the above is true.)
Like I said in one of my previous posts, the kids that have the potential to be in a leadership position but are currently not (AKA Tyler Davis, Geoffrey Peplau, Jenny Oglesby, etc), should be appointed to the cabinet. These kids are currently at the point where they are in a gap between leadership and the norm - the middle tier, if you will.
I don't think they have the proper experience to serve as pres/vp/sec, however. (except those 2 upper-classmen I mentioned above.)
(Just a reminder, the majority of this post is talking about non-leadership kids taking a role in the band)
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Post by Anthony G on Sept 4, 2008 23:09:56 GMT -5
Also, to any of those who haven't heard:
Today my parents convinced me to try out for the president postion. I'll give it a shot, give it my best, and if I do get elected then I will fulfill that role to the best of my ability. Lucco, may the best person qualified win.
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Post by soktane on Sept 5, 2008 18:50:30 GMT -5
You're kidding me...
I honestly wish for all of those running to do well, but this has gotten so wildly out of hand.
You all joined band to play in the band and to play well as a group. Don't you get tired of having to constantly prove yourself to a man who doesn't give a damn about you? You fight each other and tear each other down and bring others up just to make yourself look better in his eyes. You say it's not for him but for the band, but do you honestly believe that's true?
No matter how well you represent yourself, he's going to pick the one he wants, even if someone else would be a better decision.
I love my trumpet and I still play, and I'm much better than I've ever been before, but I'm so happy that I quit and got away from all this. I hear about people being publicly humiliated, I have a friend who's been contemplating suicide because band has taken up so much of their life that they're failing almost every other subject, and then I see you guys climbing over each other just to be "band president". Do you honestly think that that title has any merit whatsoever? The leadership is broken enough as it is, throwing this into the mix would just be stupid.
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Post by Justice Bringer on Sept 5, 2008 22:01:10 GMT -5
1. who is this freind
2. not everyone is "tearing each other apart" i can't even find a post on here of anyone arguing
3. we dont care if you like that you quit, stop trying to get everyone else to quit
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Post by soktane on Sept 5, 2008 22:30:25 GMT -5
I'm not trying to get everyone else to quit, I'm just saying that not being in the school's band program won't be the end of your musical hobby. I've never tried to force anyone out of band, nor would I be able to, but talking about the perks of being away from all that isn't going to convince you to leave. Stop being such a hardass because I made a good decision that you probably don't have the guts to make.
Colleen is having a lot of issues with band, and I don't really want to get into specifics for her sake, but it's putting a lot of pressure on her.
I didn't mean "tearing each other apart" in the literal sense, but constantly competing against each other for some dumb title that probably won't hold any merit whatsoever can't be good for a friendship. Mote and Stallings promoted competition, which can be healthy, but constantly trying to be the absolute best is not good for you. They want you to extend yourselves to the point that nothing else is more important than band, which can't happen in high school. He is driving people away from something they enjoy because they can't devote all of their time to it, and I think it's sad, but he made the decision to be that way.
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